Rebernik Peter on Sun, 13 Feb 2000 20:29:05 +0100

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AW: Syndicate: Re: easy labels

Dear Saman,

I couldn't agree more - btw: greetings from Austria.

Correct: It is the label NAZI that makes the whole thing dangerous and

Haider is not a NAZI, he is right wing, all right or not. The new government
will change things in Austria to the right - even, if many of us in Austria
do not like it. But, they are democratically elected by an overwhelming
majority. And the changes will be not readical, since in the provinces and
cities and municipalities still many people are sitting and deciding.
Changes do not come as quickly as many would fear - or wish.

But, Haider is not more right wing than many other countries already are.

Take the immigration laws of USA, GB and Arabia, nowadays Australia etc.
Take the riots in Northern Ireland (no racists there in government?), take
the rightists in Italian government with their Mafia connections, take the
fires against Turkish houses in Germany, the police forces against the
Basques in Spain and France, against the Algerians in Paris, the Indians in
London ... Austria did not have all of this.

We, the Austrians and their government handle our minorities much more
peaceful than many other countries.

It is only the label NAZI that all of those corrupt politicians are now glad
to use, to point their fingers at, to feel better.

It must feel wonderful when you can condemn somebody finally, forget about
your own sins, put a label of evilness onto him and his followers, where you
can feel good amongst the "good ones", when you get angry and moralistic at
those NAZIs ... But: is that not a fascistic behaviour: to classify somebody
as the enemy without questioning, without the will to talk to him, without
even any knowledge or wish to get more knowledge, to improve things while
democratically argueing ...

Hypocrites of the world unite.

Greetings from lovely, joyful, peaceful, beautiful and anti-fascistic
Austria, where everybody can speak out until late after midnight and can
walk home on the streets without being harassed or beaten,


Von: []Im Auftrag
von Saman Farazdaghi
Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Februar 2000 22:28
Betreff: Syndicate: Re: easy labels

> Hi,  I just read Jon's three succint emails on the use of the term Facist
and Nazi.
He very nicely  echoed, from a different direction, a conversation I was
having last week.

First some a slight introduction and background on where I live.  I live in
Toronto, Ontario, Canada, and make documentary films with a focuson music
related topics.

The province of Ontario had a euro style social democrat government that
was ousted by a neo-conservative right wing government.  The first thing
this government did was pass legislation that dramatically expanded the
of decisions that could be made by cabinet, and reducing the involvment of
of the provincial parliament.

They proceed to "privatise" government services, "rationalize" social
"amalgamate" metropolitan areas, "uncover and prevent" welfare and social
assistance fraud, "stimulate the economy with appropriate tax incentives",

This means selling publicly owned corporations and services to cronies at
fees without a bidding process, dramatically cutting aid to the poor,
gutting the
education system, closing and combining entire ministries, redrawing
municipal boundaries and election district boundaries to ensure that
Conservative party members would have majority for the forseeable future,
cutting corporate taxes and repealing environmental legislation to allow
rampant short term profit taking by manufacturing and natural resource
companies.  The list goes on.  I won't bore people with what
must be an internationally familiar list.

The figurehead for this party, who also took them to re-election a year ago,
a folksy affable former skiing instructor, with a talent for oratory, from
one of the
smaller provincial towns.

Someone last week was telling me how Haider is a facist and a nazi.  I
as he used these words.  My problem is a different manifestation of Jon's
historical epithets."

Here in North America a facist is a monster.  A nazi is a huge monster which
practices any amount of unmentionable atrocities and moral degeneracy.  Too
call someone these terms is an outrageous position to take.  It can
immediately discredit the the rest of the argument.  The term Facist has so
much historical baggage associated with it, of genocide etc., that a common
reaction to it is that it can't happen here.  And it can't.  The genocides
and atrocities of europe in the 30s and 40s are
not about to happen here in Canada.

The use of such broad and inaccurate terms to describe very specific
social and political issues only does those issues a disservice.   The terms
are historically loaded and invite the listener to immediately conclude
"well that can't happen here, so obviously everything this guy is saying is
inapplicable."  Analysis
is paralyzed, points of view are not expanded and those that already like
the sound of ones epithets nod their heads and order another espresso.

Haider sounds very much like our "Mike" Harris (here in Ontario), and so
many other
politicians around the world, in his policies and agenda.

His reconciliatory comments toward Austria's role in WWII  sound very
much rooted in Austria's historical trajectory - not in his current policies
least its hard for me to make a connection with current policies based upon
I read in the press and on this list).  The xenophobia and anti-immigration
is not unique to facism or Nazism.

So, in short, it sounds like a global weather pattern has hit Austria and it
may be
useful to look to the many other governments that have encountered this to
what could be the concrete manifestations.  The U.K. in the 80s maybe a good
place to start for some hints.


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