Re: <nettime> facebook (Frederic Neyrat)

I'm on facebook because I have to manage social media for my employer. Truly the only reason I'm on there!

Renée Reizman

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1. Facebook (Frederic Neyrat)
2. Re: Facebook (Jos? Mar?a Mateos)
3. Re: Facebook (Frederic Neyrat)
4. Re: Facebook (Alan Sondheim)
5. Re: Facebook (Frederic Neyrat)

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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 10:28:01 -0600
From: Frederic Neyrat <fneyrat@gmail.com>
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Hi,

I'd like to know if some people on this list - be they activists,
environmentalists, artists, thinkers, contributors - are (still) on
Facebook and if yes, why, being given the extreme noxiousness of this
"social" (?) network.

This article
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/03/facebook-politics-republicans-right
is not the reason of my email, but its occasion.

Thanks in advance for your light on this matter,

Frederic Neyrat
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 11:48:31 -0500
From: Jos? Mar?a Mateos <chema@rinzewind.org>
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Subject: Re: <nettime> Facebook
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On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 10:28:01AM -0600, Frederic Neyrat wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'd like to know if some people on this list - be they activists,
>environmentalists, artists, thinkers, contributors - are (still) on
>Facebook and if yes, why, being given the extreme noxiousness of this
>"social" (?) network.

I've been off Facebook (see caveats below), but the reasons people
typically have to stay there are essentially that it provides a useful
way of communicating with either a close circle of friends and family,
and to broadcast opinions to the world. And that utility is above all
other considerations. Is it used to wage psychological warfare on its
users? Sure, but of course it doesn't affect them, only other people.

As I said, I don't have a Facebook account anymore, but keep close
contact with said friends and family using WhatsApp groups, which
belongs to Facebook, am I then out of Facebook entirely? I don't think
so. Would I like to use a different system/app/protocol/whatever?
Definitely, but I can't force everybody else to move; we're basically
stuck there due to the network effect.

I am now the weird friend that from time to time shoots an e-mail; I'm
glad to say that it works, and that people tend to take it more
seriously than a Facebook message. As for broadcasting, I use a blog.
Do people read it? Barely, but at least what I post there is published
under my rules.

Cheers,

--
Jos? Mar?a (Chema) Mateos || https://rinzewind.org/

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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 11:06:29 -0600
From: Frederic Neyrat <fneyrat@gmail.com>
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Thanks for your answer!

My best,

FN

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 10:49 AM Jos? Mar?a Mateos <chema@rinzewind.org>
wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 03, 2019 at 10:28:01AM -0600, Frederic Neyrat wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'd like to know if some people on this list - be they activists,
> >environmentalists, artists, thinkers, contributors - are (still) on
> >Facebook and if yes, why, being given the extreme noxiousness of this
> >"social" (?) network.
>
> I've been off Facebook (see caveats below), but the reasons people
> typically have to stay there are essentially that it provides a useful
> way of communicating with either a close circle of friends and family,
> and to broadcast opinions to the world. And that utility is above all
> other considerations. Is it used to wage psychological warfare on its
> users? Sure, but of course it doesn't affect them, only other people.
>
> As I said, I don't have a Facebook account anymore, but keep close
> contact with said friends and family using WhatsApp groups, which
> belongs to Facebook, am I then out of Facebook entirely? I don't think
> so. Would I like to use a different system/app/protocol/whatever?
> Definitely, but I can't force everybody else to move; we're basically
> stuck there due to the network effect.
>
> I am now the weird friend that from time to time shoots an e-mail; I'm
> glad to say that it works, and that people tend to take it more
> seriously than a Facebook message. As for broadcasting, I use a blog.
> Do people read it? Barely, but at least what I post there is published
> under my rules.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Jos? Mar?a (Chema) Mateos || https://rinzewind.org/
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 12:14:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com>
To: Frederic Neyrat <fneyrat@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: <nettime> Facebook
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I'm on it because there are a number of new media artists/writers/etc.
including myself who form somewhat of a community - it's a way to
distribute work, especially if one's not in academia or media industry.
It's brutally flawed but also useful and it gives more scope to textual
work than Instagram.

Alan

On Sun, 3 Nov 2019, Frederic Neyrat wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'd like to know if some people on this list - be they activists,
> environmentalists, artists, thinkers, contributors - are (still) on Facebook
> and if yes, why, being given the extreme noxiousness of this "social" (?)
> network.
>
> Thisarticle?https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/03/facebook-politics-
> republicans-right
> is not the reason of my email, but its occasion.
>
> Thanks in advance for your light on this matter,
>
> Frederic Neyrat
>
>
>

web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552
current text http://www.alansondheim.org/wm.txt

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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 13:51:24 -0600
From: Frederic Neyrat <fneyrat@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: <nettime> Facebook
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Thanks Alan! But I've a question, I try to formulate it... Let's say:

1/ FB enables to create a "community," that's good for sure;
2/ but in the same time, it destroys the condition of the possibility of
community/togetherness/Gemeinwesen/?tre-ensemble, etc. For instance, in
making possible the election of people whose main goal is to destroy any
community/being-in-common (note that I do not consider being quantified and
recombined by algorithms a good way to generate some being-in-common).

So, in the end, I understand that something would be lost by leaving FB -
hence my first question! - but would it be possible to say that the loss is
even more important while not quitting FB?

My best,

FN

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 11:14 AM Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com> wrote:

>
>
> I'm on it because there are a number of new media artists/writers/etc.
> including myself who form somewhat of a community - it's a way to
> distribute work, especially if one's not in academia or media industry.
> It's brutally flawed but also useful and it gives more scope to textual
> work than Instagram.
>
> Alan
>
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2019, Frederic Neyrat wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'd like to know if some people on this list - be they activists,
> > environmentalists, artists, thinkers, contributors - are (still) on
> Facebook
> > and if yes, why, being given the extreme noxiousness of this "social" (?)
> > network.
> >
> > Thisarticle?
> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/03/facebook-politics-
> > republicans-right
> > is not the reason of my email, but its occasion.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your light on this matter,
> >
> > Frederic Neyrat
> >
> >
> >
>
> web http://www.alansondheim.org / cell 347-383-8552
> current text http://www.alansondheim.org/wm.txt
>
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