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Re: <nettime> The Return of DRM [Rob van Kranenburg, Rob Myers]

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From: "Rob van Kranenburg" <>
Subject: Re: <nettime> The Return of DRM
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 10:32:34 +0200
To: "Morlock Elloi" <>

But how can you pose any sense of individual agency if you posit
the sort of almight you propose that 'the Inquisition' had? As far
as I can see, people do get in their cars knowing it fucks up the
planet. You have an individual mobility, that is what you choose to
have, do not come complaining about the environment later. And do not
tell me 'they' put a gun to your head and told you to get into your
car, or they put a gun to your head and told you to buy that iphone.
Really, do you think by now you do not have enough information to make
choices? Where are the 'conditioned' behaviours, 'controlled' by a
'few', you make it sound as if the Middle Ages are still here. That
few, would that be 'Google'? an eleven year old? I'll see you when you
get there.

> They do matter, and this is why: imposed/conditoned behaviours,
> manufactured desires, data collected, patterns discovered and
> exploited - all these are controlled by a very few and affect many,
> and those many affect everyone else.
> I don't see any GNU people collecting patterns and tracking
> end users in order to deploy those insights into spreading the
> GNU-deology. No, they do it 1:1, in a grassroots way, preaching to
> the choir, ensuring own irrelevance. You don't need to agree with or
> believe in social engineering on a massive scale to be affected by
> it, any more than you need to believe in or agree with firearms in
> order to be shot.
> You can not be a comfortable atheist in the land of religious
> zealots on remote control, which is what iphone rubbing 'tards
> are. Their attention is captured and tamed, and monitored for
> deviation (the Inquisition was a very expensive and inefficient way
> of ensuring compliance.)
>> do we really care about helping the "powerless tards rubbing
>> iphones" you talk about?? they are happy, "they have nothing to
>> hide" and can

----- Forwarded message from Rob Myers <> -----

From: Rob Myers <>
Subject: Re: <nettime> The Return of DRM
Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 04:54:44 -0400
To: <>

On Thu, 6 May 2010 13:50:03 -0700 (PDT), Morlock Elloi
<> wrote:
> preaching to the choir, ensuring own irrelevance. 

It upsets some rows of the choir, but the FSF do run campaigns that
take the message to the mainstream.

The ones that have been most successful and that have therefore upset
people the most are -


- Rob.

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