[Nettime-bold] David Ross Discusses Max Herman for Boxing Day

[Nmherman@aol.com]

Subj:    RE: RHIZOME_RAW: David Ross is a Disreputable Person Running 
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Date:   12/26/2000 2:03:53 AM Central Standard Time
From:   daross51@pacbell.net (David A. Ross)
To: Nmherman@aol.com

Dear Max:

Are you out of your mind?

>Shut fuck up about out of mind

Your attack on me is unnecessary, unkind, and quite unfriendly.

>If you respond to open letter, all happy again.

I do recall my conversation with Peter Weibel, and I'm sure your comments
were far more insightful than mine.  

>I question "internet more powerful than print press," you say, "This time 
revolution internal."  Let world judge insight.  Audience offended by your 
lack of insight, is all I said.  Transcribe tape for all to see truth.

I don't, however, recall your
invitation to respond to an "open letter."

>Maybe you filter out too much web art curious curator!  See 
http://rhizome.org/object.rhiz?1866 for you to look!

Unlike you, I still feel that I have a great deal to learn about the kind of
art that is being made online.  I am not at all dogmatic.   I profess
nothing but curiosity, open-mindedness, and respect for what artists try to
do, day-to-day.  

>Not believing you good sir from inside your carpet office.  Also know you 
describe self wrong, unintentional so what?

I remain resolute in my optimism and hopeful that art will
in the end enable us to be more, not less, human.

>Bon idee, pero che faro senza Euridice?  Dove andro?  3rd Street?

I think I understand your cynicism 

>Unintentional curious and much to learn!  Delenda est Carthago.

and feel badly if you are actually so
embittered.  I also understand that your antagonistic pose is part of your
shtick, 

>Getting you fired is part of shtick too for you to enjoy.

and that some people find it amusing.  With all due respect Max, I
find it a bit pathetic, and a tad empty.

>Poor suffering director with no good enough art to direct!  So sad!

As I said before, holiday greetings to you and yours.

>President Clinton already send, so you send yours to Brad Brace prego!

David A. Ross

Nickolas M. Herman




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Date:   12/23/2000 4:53:36 PM Central Standard Time
From:   daross51@pacbell.net (David A. Ross) [Director of SFMOMA]
To: Nmherman@aol.com

Dear Max Herman:

Holiday greetings to you as well, and may all your wishes for fame and power
come true.

David

++

I take it you won't respond to the open letter regarding your theory of
"internal revolution" to be brought by the internet.  Remember the audience
during your speech with Weibel, back in '99, and how they said "the internet
is so new and all your comments and ideas about are so stale and cliche"?  I
do.  It's on the tape you made too, I'll request access to it one day.
Perhaps you better lose it somehow.

An open question:  Do you trust David Ross to do what's right?  I don't.
I've met him and seen many of his posts, and I say he's just another
corporate weasel who works for the rich.

For more background on this dispute, check
www.egroups.com/group/Genius2000Conference2000 and
http://www.geocities.com/genius-2000/Archive2000.html (SFMOMA82700).

Ross, you're a bum!

Max Herman
The Genius 2000 Network



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The new agenda for digital art at the SFMOMA is paid for by Intel.  Why
don't
we all get out there and start getting some.  Let's get some.  Let's get
some.  David Ross, fuck you.  Hard.  It's a sin not to act.  Delenda est
Sfmomo.  Many humans die grasping for the things we are allowing to be
murdered.

Come on fuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Max Herman
The Genius 2000 Network
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