Re: <nettime> The War to come ...

[Ted Byfield <tedbyfield@gmail.com>]

Some yes, mostly no. There are some intersections, but I specifically and deliberately did NOT argue that anti-imperialists are echoing Russian disinfo bots, let alone aiding and abetting Putin’s project. On the contrary, I was challenging exactly that model of a priori dismissal of opposing viewpoints.

Ted

On Mar 20, 2022, 17:03 -0400, David Garcia <d.garcia@new-tactical-research.co.uk>, wrote:

Ted Byfield

Internationalism is an absolutely legitimate leftist stance too: anti-imperialist I'm seeing here and elsewhere seems to be, more than anything else, not just intellectually isolationist in its >origins but practically isolationist in its consequences. And when it consigns other differently minded leftoids to oblivion as it does to Ukrainian thinkers, it isn't clear to me what's left of its >leftism at all. But let's shed that label for now. What positive vision is this anti-imperialist grounded in? What constructive change is it proposing? And how does telling others they can't >possibly understand what you're saying lead in that direction?

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Many of the contradictions and predicaments faced by left you point to are echoed in an excellent piece by George Monbiot

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/02/russian-propaganda-anti-imperialist-left-vladimir-putin




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