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Re: <nettime> John Naughton on Shoshana Zuboff: 'The goal is to automate
Patrice Riemens on Fri, 25 Jan 2019 21:03:17 +0100 (CET)


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Re: <nettime> John Naughton on Shoshana Zuboff: 'The goal is to automate us': welcome to the age of surveillance capitalism



Well, as I understood Shoshana Z, the pb is that you cannot, in the current dispensation, legislate something that would destroy the very basis on which today's version of capitalism is based. Making data gathering illegal is not a tweak, it's system(ic) change.


On 2019-01-25 19:39, Morlock Elloi wrote:
Right. Involving 'capitalism' into this is total bs., even an
intentional sabotage - to make it look inevitable (as no one can
imagine alternative for capitalism, surveillance must also be
inevitable.)

Motherf*ckers. So many vacuous words just to avoid mentioning
possibility of simple legislation within existing legal frameworks.



On 1/25/19, 10:09, carlo von lynX wrote:
Stop using leftist terminology (which makes Christian Democrats
and other peeps stop paying attention). What we are facing is a
facet of totalitarianism. Surveillance totalitarianism. We just
don't know who's going to be the big dictator at the end
(presuming that ten years into this game it isn't all sorted
out yet), and maybe we will never be told.

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