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# From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim@p...>
# Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 6:43 am
# Subject: Re: [webartery] Vito Acconci
error - "you have to give them something worth 45 minutes" - sorry, alan
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# From: revere1955@m...
# Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 6:52 am
# Subject: Re: Korea Web Art Festival
you're funny, talan.
and re: _And what does the PUBLIC or VIEWER get out of this, except for
a lot of agro male crap? There's enough of that on the rest of
the Net_ says, alan (how many names or personalities do you have, alan?)
the public or viewer (are they not the same?) gets to watch sum stuff on
Genomes and the Army on the late night news. hack hack. nope, the
prognosis don't look too good.
susan
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# From: "][D(NA).fence][" <netwurker@h...>
# Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 6:52 am
# Subject: Re: [webartery] Vito Acconci
At 01:39 AM 12/4/2001 -0500, you wrote:
alan wrote [in a great post:]
>anyway, the point in all of this, if there is one, is that there is a
>dialectic among disruption, artist, audience, theory, and site - and
this
>dialectic seems sadly absent in a lot of hacking work, which reverts
back
>almost to male adolescent messiness.
absolutely alan....i've recently subbed 2 the dc-stuff list in order 2
witness them trashing my wurk..not in a sadoist gesture, but more 2 c if
they actually had a clue re:garding the wurk itself.... in terms of
_male adolescent messiness_, this is the place 2 b:)
>even declaring one or another form of
>art "dead" is that kind of gesture - which I also relate to a
manifesto-
>tendency (you used to see more of that earlier on nettime I think).
again, agreed....that's y i ][artistically][ respond 2 statements like
these sporadically.....
cheers,
mez
* oops 4got this bit:
>apologies for all of this, but there's context and context and
context...
y apologise?
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# From: Alan Sondheim <sondheim@p...>
# Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 7:31 am
# Subject: Re: [webartery] Vito Acconci
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, ][D(NA).fence][ wrote:
> At 01:39 AM 12/4/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>
> absolutely alan....i've recently subbed 2 the dc-stuff list in order 2
> witness them trashing my wurk..not in a sadoist gesture, but more 2 c
if
> they actually had a clue re:garding the wurk itself....
> in terms of _male adolescent messiness_, this is the place 2 b:)
>
would love to know what you/they come up with! I tend to get far too
depressed over things like these...
Alan
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# From: "][D(NA).fence][" <netwurker@h...>
# Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 7:37 am
# Subject: Re: [webartery] Vito Acconci
At 02:31 AM 12/4/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>would love to know what you/they come up with! I tend to get far too
>depressed over things like these...
no, u wouldn't want 2 kno wot they've been typing alan, they would
d.press][the trigger][ u very much i fear......i'm not placing any
affective weight on this, i x.pected it & it really only confirms my
pre-subbing notions anyway. i'll give it a few more days the unsub.
cheers,
mez
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# From: jeffreyjullich@y...
# Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 9:33 am
# Subject: Re: Korea Web Art Festival "...
01100100011101010110110101100010 ..."
--- In webartery@y..., "Talan Memmott" <talan@m...> wrote:
> 0100101110101101.ORG
> ----- Original Message -----> From: <joecow@b...>
> >
> > just to clarify, does anyone know whether we're talking about
> > 0100101110101101.org or 0100101110110101.org ??
======================================================================
(1) Apparently "they" have been right here in the United States for a
while, and in print as well as in aether. See the footer at the bottom
of
http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0110&L=poetics&P=R21299
,
posted on Mon, 8 Oct 2001 23:43:06 -0700, which reads as follows (and I
quote, with permission):
"... 01100100011101010110110101100010 ..."
-- Pom2 (Brooklyn, NY, volume # 1 issue # 1), p. 70
(2) Now, let me try to highlight the identity as self-evident as
possible by taking advantage of ascii Courier proportional spacing and
laying one on top of the other, like onionskins or Flash layers. Inspect
for yourself:
0100101110101101.ORG
"... 01100100011101010110110101100010 ..."
(3) and just in case it still isn't obvious, please permit me to
"monkey" with their name a little, a permissible maneuver in light of
their own modus operandi, and to segment off the clone cores at the
middle of the parallel strings from any caudal divergences (vocab.:
CLONE CORES), so you can see as plai as day the god-awful truth:
01001 01110101 101.ORG
"... 01100100 01110101 0110110101100010 ..."
^
^
> 01110101 <
A full eight out of sixteen characters! a full 50% of the group's name,
--- "seemingly random"? --- in print right here in The City of Churches,
Brooklyn, N.Y., U.S.A. (Italian? did someone say)
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# From: Florian Cramer <cantsin@z...>
# Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 11:13 am
# Subject: Re: [webartery] Re: Korea Web Art Festival
Am Tue, 04.Dec.2001 um 03:59:10 -0000 schrieb joecow@b...:
> florian?
First of all, you can't be subversive without subverting yourself,
that's very important. You miss something crucial if you think
subversion means to have clearly defined enemies and act against them.
The enemy is always you, too, and in the first place.
Florian
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# From: Florian Cramer <cantsin@z...>
# Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 11:16 am
# Subject: Re: [webartery] web art and intervention
Am Mon, 03.Dec.2001 um 22:23:32 -0500 schrieb Jennifer Ley:
>
> It's seem to me that hacking a site in 2001 is pretty old news.
>
They did not hack sites, they only created fake (altered) copies.
Florian
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# From: Florian Cramer <cantsin@z...>
# Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 4:52 pm
# Subject: Re: [webartery] web art and intervention
Am Tue, 04.Dec.2001 um 12:16:33 +0100 schrieb Florian Cramer:
> Am Mon, 03.Dec.2001 um 22:23:32 -0500 schrieb Jennifer Ley:
> >
>
> > It's seem to me that hacking a site in 2001 is pretty old news.
> >
>
> They did not hack sites, they only created fake (altered) copies.
>
Here's the story:
Re: Korea Web Art
Festival
FTPermutations_at_0100101110101101.ORG
Date: Mon 03 Dec 2001 - 16:36:55 CET
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tfa wrote:
> [6]http://www.koreawebart.org has been hacked by one of our own.
it's not a "hack", its just a permutation, an FTP permutation. no data
has been erased, only exchanged.
> One of you has already had the foresight to E-mail me to say that you
> will no longer work with me on any future project.
this is ludicrous, at least s/he should say s/he wan't exhibit together
with 0100101110101101.ORG any more. it's up to 0100101110101101.ORG.
Marc didn't know anything about FTPermutations, we are not used to ask
permissions. in fact we presented him another piece, that was called as
well permutations, with different contents and website, and if you had
checked the koreawebart.org site before Dec the 2 you'd have seen it:
[7]http://WWW.0100101110101101.ORG/home/glasnost/project/2001/permutations/PERMUTATIONS
anyway all the works but one have been visible for all the time of the
permutations (that means some hours, like 4/6, cannot know without
having ftp connection).
If you think that FTPermutations is NOT an art piece, we basically
accept not to receive our payment (both commission and fee), but we ask
that you *publicly* declare (on the korea web art festival website) that
"FTPermutations is NOT an art piece", and therefore
0100101110101101.ORG's ftp performance doesn't deserve to be paid, than
we'll accept not to take the money. not joking.
> I also need to say that the hacker(s) have felt the artistic need to
> mock a lot of time and effort -- not mine, but yours.
you can find an exhibition back up, that's always been there, since the
"permutations", updated to the exact moment when the folders had been
renamed:
[8]ftp://koreawebart.org/artist/0100101110101101org --> .DONT ERASE!
EXHIBITION BACKUP!
as you see the directory starts with a "dot", so it was not visible from
the outside but if you have a good ftp software or telnet connection
you'll be able to see it (in ftp set preferences to "show invisible", in
telnet type: "ls -la" once you're in the right dirrectory). not one
single byte has been erased, so all the works should work properly, and
if we had the FTP account (which has been cut tonight) we would be able
to put the things exactly as they were.
here is a list of files that have been added:
[9]ftp://koreawebart.org/artist/Motomichi_Nakamura/bcc.html
[10]ftp://koreawebart.org/artist/Mark_Amerika/index.html
[11]ftp://koreawebart.org/artist/Entropy8Zuper!/TheKiss/incorporator
[12]ftp://koreawebart.org/artist/beth/index.html
[13]ftp://koreawebart.org/artist/YOUNG-HAE_CHANG_HEAVY_INDUSTRIES/JONGNO.html
[14]ftp://koreawebart.org/artist/YOUNG-HAE_CHANG_HEAVY_INDUSTRIES/JONGNO_KO.html
and they have been added exactly to let every work be visible from the
site.
> I want to
> especially apologize to Beth Stryker and Sawad Brooks, whose piece no
> longer works on the site because of the hacking.
if the back up is set as root all the pieces will work exactly as
before, we're speaking about numbers, a binary code that cannot "change"
or get "altered" if not for purpose, and that was not
0100101110101101.ORG's purpose.
> This hurts me a lot,
> because they worked so hard to make it work on our server. I'm sure
> that, when the times comes -- at the end of the week when I greet the
> hacker(s) here in Seoul -- he, she, or they will explain the paramount
> artistic importance of this gesture.
the reactions of some of the involved artists show by themselves the
importance of this action, if nothing more even just to show how far
from its roots is net.culture going -- and net.art in particular --. if
anybody of you have ever had a website in a do-it-yourselfe-server you'd
know that this kind of pranks happens quite often, and these reactions
simply confirm a complete lack of sense of humour and irony, which is
something that has always let the net being such a funny place. these
reaciton reminds me the one of traditional painters arguing at the
Biennials because their painting has been hanged a couple of centimeters
too right, or the lights are too strong, or the water is not cold enough
and all this shit that have always characterised the traditional art
world. renaming some directories is nothing serious nor dangerous.
taking yourselves too seriously can get dangerous.
"Art is alive! Enjoy it, laugh at it, hate it or love it, but do not
adore it! We are not in a church, hang it on your walls, clean your
asses with it perhaps...but use it!"
Savage Messiah, Ken Russel, 1972.
--
http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~cantsin/homepage/
http://www.complit.fu-berlin.de/institut/lehrpersonal/cramer.html
GnuPG/PGP public key ID 3200C7BA
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# From: Florian Cramer <cantsin@z...>
# Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 4:59 pm
# Subject: Re: [webartery] found the 0100101110101101.ORG n.terview
Am Tue, 04.Dec.2001 um 11:09:36 +1100 schrieb ][D(NA).fence][:
>
> http://www.nettime.org/nettime.w3archive/199912/msg00064.html
>
> [after a quick read i remembered they also hacked jodi's site -ooh,
how
Actually, they only copied it to their own server.
> _criminal_ of me 2 4get that!;)..they also have a virus piece in this
years
> biennial...]..i think they r italian from memory?
>From Bologna, yes. A gal and a guy. (Great guys, btw, IMHO.)
> talan, just wanted 2 ask if they actually _hacked_ the main korean
web.fest
They permuted/shuffled files between the server directories via FTP on
the web server, but kept a backup of the original site on it. (The admin
just didn't seem to have clue.)
> i must say, after actually looking at FTPermuations i find the piece
> fine.ly exe.cuted & quite obvious ][iconically][.......
Me, too. I am surprised - actually quite baffled and disappointed - how
anxious/paranoid otherwise smart net artists - especially those whose
aesthetics is willingly close to hacker aesthetics - can get over their
supposed "originals" and "works" (as if they were 19th century
paintings).
Florian
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# From: "Joel Weishaus" <weishaus@p...>
# Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 5:30 pm
# Subject: Re: [webartery] Korea Web Art Festival
I agree with all of you. Even Rauchenberg asked permission of De Kooning
before he erased Wilhem's drawing. But those were more civilized times.
-.Joel
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# From: "Talan Memmott" <talan@m...>
# Date: Tue Dec 4, 2001 5:40 pm
# Subject: Re: [webartery] web art and intervention
---- hacking
>
> > It's seem to me that hacking a site in 2001 is pretty old news.
> >
>
> They did not hack sites, they only created fake (altered) copies.
I think this defines 'hack' in too strict of sense for what occurred...
perhaps, 'vandalized', 'mis-represented'..... or something is more
appropriate if 'hack' is to be defined this closely....
None-the-less --- it sucks for the artists.... It sucks for the
curator... And it sucks for web art...
For what seemed a well intentioned event, I still contend, this 'action'
was misdirected...
---- subversion
> First of all, you can't be subversive without subverting yourself,
> that's very important. You miss something crucial if you think
> subversion means to have clearly defined enemies and act against them.
> The enemy is always you, too, and in the first place.
In this action the enemy seems to be anyone but 01etc.org..... At least
when I read their claims, and their complaints about other artists
complaining... Or maybe that is just their stance since they got caught,
that it screwed stuff up...
What was really subverted here...? Nothing....
The 'you can't take a joke' claim in their note is ridiculous.....
And, though I like what they have done elsewhere -- I think this battle
was just silly with the effect of only producing 10 or so pissed off
artists, a frustrated curator, frustrated event organizers...
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