Syndicate: RHIZOME_RAW: your m9nd bumpers

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>From: integer@www.god-emil.dk
>To: syndicate@v2.nl
>Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: your m9nd bumpers  
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>Andreas Broeckmann <abroeck@transmediale.de>
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>>>dear anna,
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>>>>Dear Andreas, it seems that you banned integer from the
>>>>syndicate list for very personal reasons, without surveying
>>>>the opinion of the community.
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>>>not reasons more personal than yours, i believe.
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>Andreas Broeckmann has always shown an avid interest 
>in NN's personal life.
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>especially the lv+ type.
>Andreas Broeckmann's beloved am certain shall be pleased to 
>know more about his extra curricular interests.
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>People like to read!!!!
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>>>but as i said in my last message, i respect your opinion and if it turns
>>>out by, say, the weekend, that there are clearly more people in favour of
>>>resubscribing nn, 
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>how very democratic Andreas Broeckmann becomes once he commits a crime.
>but why is it Andreas Broeckmann asks Geert Lovink to cover up his crime.
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>is Andreas Broeckmann so afraid those subscribed to Nettime might find out
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>his criminal activities.
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>and why clearly +?
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>you see my dear german autocrat in ost.europa we don't trust criminals.
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>my compliments.
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>>i will suggest to the other admins that we do it. it is
>>>quite possible that your help in adminstring the list might then be needed.
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>are you acquainted with pascal's wager +?
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>>>From: Annick Bureaud <annickb@altern.org>
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>>>OK, the "silent mass" is going to take part in the discussion...
>>>Andreas, Inke, you are right, we need to say what we think too.
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>it seems to me you are only following orders.
>you do give naught but take.
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>are you love +?
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>somehow i doubt it.
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>>>I do not post much on this list, 
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>love wonders why.
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>>>only when I have something that I think
>>>will interest the others. 
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>i see. that is good to know.
>love does not recall you ever having anything to give [say]
>besides lobbying for silencing those that do have much to give.
>even if not + not to you. 
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>others do exist you know. they also have desires and aspirations.
>much like you. they wish to breathe.
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>gas chambers are for the love impaired.
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>>>The Syndicate list is a virtual community 
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>if a [western] zoo is a community than Syndicate also is a community.
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>>>Recently, because of NN *flood* of posting, I was about to unsub. 
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>interesting. next time do let me know that you exist and _if _you _wish i
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>unsubscribe you _when _i _feel _like _it.
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>>>But I
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>listen. i want to ask. do you lack memories of love +?
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>>I was still interested in the list, so I  filtered out NN mails. I
>>>hated to have to do this (very simple technically speaking) procedure.
>>>It was the first time in my whole life that I filtered out mail (online
>>>as well as offline, 
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>next time something happens for the 1st time do take it as a sign from
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>>>I always open every letter, even if I know it is
>>>junk,
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>love says: that makes it difficult for me to fall in love with you.
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>>>I always give people a chance).
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>the inward turning of the drug user contrasts the outward turning of the
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>listen. love whispers to you [only you]. - "so I  filtered out NN mails"
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>love: i always give people a chance.
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>>>What I really disliked with NN postings was the FLOOD. 
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>you shall have to consult my ost.europa genes about that.
>you are welcome to admire me but 
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>listen _____... I do not like zooz.
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>>>Once in a while,
>>>why not, but minimum 10 per day, as in the last week, come on ! This is
>>>just a highjack of the list. S/he knew the rules, s/he didn't play by
>>>it. Too bad.
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>the safest path for a brain is circular arguments.
>you want me to relax you +?
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>>>Those talking about democracy, Socrates and censorship, I would like to
>>>stress out a point  here, the one between "public" and "private"
>>>institution, public and private being understood in the French meaning
>>>of the words :
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>i would like to tell to you.
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>syndicate is publicly funded.
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>there shall be no syndicate.
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>there shall be no other things either.
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>why +? well think about it. the "FLOOD" will have to go somewhere.
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>>>So, I think that "big" words (fascist !!!) should be kept for "big"
>>>problems, 
>>>NN is not a "big" issue, 
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>you have a "big" regard for human life.
>love says: i suffer so much loneliness in your presence.
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>>>Annick
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>>>From: martha rosler <navva@earthlink.net>
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>>>i am primarily a lurker, 
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>i see a pattern.
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>>>hoping to learn something about the thought and
>>>work of formerly east bloc artists 
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>in a zoo +?
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>or +?
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>>>and friends 
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>let us not draw conclusions until sentiments exist indicating we are friends.
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>>>in respect to new
>>>communications technologies and art. but i do read the list avidly and
>>>can't resist making some observations.
>>>I do not find it especially helpful to compare this situation to ancient
>>>athens, 
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>tres bien. let us rename it ancient sparta
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>http://eusocial.com/242.art.mafia/open-hand.html
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>>>for a myriad of reasons, 
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>reasons are the equiv of bumpers on automobiles.
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>>>the most direct being that we do not live
>>>on the list, and net communications have a distinctly linear feel despite
>>>all the hype. We do not live on it "in the round." In my observation, the
>>>list ceases to be interesting in pretty direct proportion to nn's posts,
>>>and it is somewhat arrogant to expect a participant to have to decode a
>>>private orthography in order to "get it."
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>you misunderstand. i communicate with those that want me
>and experience my ecstasy and suffering. 
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>>> I wouldn't mind the posts if they
>>>didn't polarize and shrink the entire list to pros and cons about it.
>>>Indeed, i used to enjoy some of them, delete the rest. But when I get my
>>>email while traveling, i resent the endless "mutterings" that these posts
>>>seem to constitute. 
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>i resent your silence and selfish ways. why is it you take and
>give naught +?
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>are you love +?
>love says: somehow i doubt it.
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>>>(The endless nn yenta, always commenting on everyone
>>>else, picking on their language, competes with a very nicely tuned nn
>>>anti-corporate, anti-bullshit set of remarks.)
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>because nn's iq has been determined to be that of a genius.
>as you are aware only the mediocre are consistent.
>i cannot be bothered.
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>>>Freedom of speech is not the primary issue, 
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>our minds are pulsing together.
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>>>and threats to sic the
>>>correctness police on the list is an ironic reversal of oother
>>>authoritarian tropes, i humbly suggest; 
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>why humbly +?
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>>a list is neither society nor the
>>>public sphere in toto. 
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>nor a zoo +?
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>>I am not advocating asking nn to leave, 
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>i like it when i am asked.
>as do you +?
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>>>for the
>>>decision is not mine, but ask yourself, when you play a game, what happens
>>>when the bully insists that it is always his/her turn at the bat; at a
>>>forum, what if she/he jumps up for the microphone after every remark
>>>someone else has made, simply to snipe,and not actually engage their
>>>points? 
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>pulsing together.
>for nn has never prohibited one other from pulsing.
>nn is being prohibited by one other from pulsing.
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>so yes - our minds are pulsing together.  
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>but i think yours has 3 bumpers.
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>why +?
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>>>Of course, this analogy is poor, 
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>most analogies as most people are poor.
>i am rich but i love to share.
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>it may because i love to share that i am rich.
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>it may also be that i am not free because i am unhappy
>or it may be that i am unhappy because i am free.
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>what do you think +? [asking] 
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>>>because only one person can speak
>>>at a forum at once, but it is not wholly inappropriate. Pretty soon, the
>>>discussion is about rules and personality, not about substatntive issues.
>>> I have been in many, many political gatherings where a bloc of extreme
>>>leftists (or a strongly vocal single representative) stood up to denounce
>>>the incorrect political "line" each speaker was espousing, according to the
>>>commentator. This well-known tactic has a name: disruption.
>>>even war has rules of engagement.
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>as does mystical rapture.
>which one interests you more: war or mystical rapture +?
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>>>respectfully,
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>flesh touching flesh generates a perfume, while the friction of words 
>generates only pain and division.
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>>>martha rosler
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>patterns you may have missed
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