honor on Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:52:58 +0200

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balkania-l: future state of balkania website

hi everyone,

just a quick note about the 'future state of balkania' site that we
developed in helsinki: i guess most of you noticed that it no longer lives
at <http://temp.kisma.fi/balkania>.

i just wanted to check if the people who archived the site in helsinki (am
i right that this was alain and arthur?) still have a copy.  it appears
that kiasma don't have it any more, and it would be a shame if all that
work was lost.

if indeed someone does have a copy, i wonder if we can find anywhere to
upload so we can continue to refer to it (?).  there are quite a few
providers here in the .uk who give away free web storage space.  i could do
some investigating if people want me to ...

i have included below here the email sequence between me and kiasma
regarding the website, just in case you're interested.

hope everyone is well.

best wishes

honor harger


>	Hi,
>	My name is Honor Harger and I work for Tate Modern in London.
>	I am looking for the website of TEMP MEDIA LAB.  The link you
>list on your site is broken.  Can you please send me the URL?
>	honor.harger@tate.org.uk
>	Thanks.
>	best wishes
>	Honor
>	Not Found
>	The requested URL /temp/en/index.html was not found on this server.

-----Original Message-----
From: justus [mailto:justus@kiasma.fi]
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:45 AM
To: Honor Harger
Subject: Re: Kiasma.fi-palaute

Hi. Sorry about the link. We'll fix it soon. The TEMP MEDIA LAB
server is gone, so the web pages are not available any more. Were you
looking for some specific information on the event, or could I help
you otherwise?

Yours, Justus Hyvärinen,
Webmaster, www.kiasma.fi

>Keskiviikko 11. Lokakuuta 2000 klo 19.15:41


From: Honor Harger
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 5:29 PM
To: 'justus'
Subject: RE: Kiasma.fi-palaute

yes, i was one of the participants of the event, and we were told that
KIASMA were archiving the whole site.  can you please tell me why the server
has been taken down?

best wishes

honor harger

Honor Harger
Webcasting Curator, Tate Modern


-----Original Message-----
From: Perttu Rastas [mailto:perttu.rastas@kiasma.fi]
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:06 AM
To: honor.harger@tate.org.uk
Subject: temp server

Hi Honor

why you didn't ask Temp server from me because it was my project here?

Any way we decide together with our network staff that is not
possible for us any more just keep servers running under our
technical supervisor when we don't have any connection for artists or
users - I've not heard any thing from any body from Temp organization
group almost since you left from Kiasma.

We have try to help artists and art project as much we could - as
just now we have 5 extra servers running here for different art
project that are not Kiasma projects. But our network people just
told me that it's not possible for them to just expand our server
structure. And actually talking about Temp server we even don't have
sysop password for the machine so any how when the problem appears we
can not do anything.

So what you want us at Kiasma to do?


Mr. Perttu Rastas, senior media curator
Kiasma, Museum of Contemporary Art
Mannerheiminaukio 2, FIN-00100 Helsinki, Finland
tel. +358-9-1733 6538, fax 1733 6575, GSM 040-590 8802
email perttu.rastas@kiasma.fi, http://www.kiasma.fi


dear perttu,

hello there!  nice to hear from you!  how are things?

i am sorry i did not originally address my enquiry to you, perttu.  i
discovered that the temp project was offline, and just emailed the email
address from the kiasma website.  at first i thought it was just a technical
question.  i didn't mean to sidestep you in this process.

i think the best idea is for me to forward our mails to geert lovink.  as
you know, i was only involved in a small component of the project - the
future state of balkania part - and as such, i really can't speak for the
whole of temp.  i am not sure what geert negotiated with kiasma regarding
the archiving of temp, and i certainly don't know anything about sysop

also, please don't misunderstand the tone of my enquiry.  i was just asking
whether or not this project did exist online somewhere, as it was originally
kiasma's project.  it was not meant to be read in an accusatory light.

and on a lighter note - how are things at kiasma?  what exciting projects
are you working on now?
as you may know i am now working for tate modern, as the webcasting curator.
it would be great to visit you again in helsinki some time, and swap ideas
about new media projects.  also, if you ever have reason to be in london,
please let me know, as i would be deluighted to meet with you.

very best wishes

Honor Harger
Webcasting Curator, Tate Modern
PH: (44) 020 7401 5066


From: Honor Harger <honor.harger@tate.org.uk>
To: "'honor@va.com.au'" <honor@va.com.au>
Subject: temp
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:07:02 +0100
MIME-Version: 1.0

hi geert,

i just wanted to forward you the emails that i got from the kiasma webmaster
and perttu, after i emailed them and asked them about the TEMP website.  i
guess you knew already that it was offline. hope these emails don't cause
you any inconvenience ...

as the future state of balkania participants refer to the site all the time,
i guess we should find other arrangements regarding the hosting of this
project?  do you have any ideas?  or should this just be our job?

hope you are well

best wishes



<london + amsterdam>


ph: 44 (0)20 74015066

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