<nettime> etoy digested

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f_3 <f_3@dds.nl>
          (for your digestive system) "keep your defenses sharp"
Maryandruskin@aol.com
          Re: <nettime> spooky silence
Michael Goldhaber <mgoldh@well.com>
          Re: <nettime> Urgent: etoy.org (fwd)

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:33:04 +0100
From: f_3 <f_3@dds.nl>
Subject: (for your digestive system) "keep your defenses sharp"

Network World's coverage of the 'floodnet' actions,
nothing mentioned about etoys' counteraction - shutdown of www.thing.net:

... Network-based attacks against eToys last week and the emergence 
of a particularly destructive method for launching such raids are 
fresh reminders of the need for e-commerce sites to keep their defenses 
sharp, more at:
http://www.nwfusion.com/news/1999/1220etoys.html

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From: Maryandruskin@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:41:00 EST
Subject: Re: <nettime> spooky silence

(I have frequent encounters now with people who remind me of the woman you 
spoke of).
I don't see this issue as fun, as theatre, I see it as a real issue of 
control of the means of artistic production --  and I believe that the 
people who own etoys, the people who own and run Verio, etc., are 
inherently antagonistic to artistic production if they cannot control it. 
They may not, I think, even be able to pinpoint their own position, but 
deeply ingrained in the capitalistic enterprise of the united states is an 
anti-intellectualism, an anti-art stance -- the belief that comes out of 
our puritan calvinistic background that the results of a life well lived 
are material, and that non-production is wrong. 
Morally wrong.  It is akin to the deep beliefs  manifested in communist 
totalitarianism and facism, that not only is the free expression of art 
harmful, it is, worse still, evil.  
Mary

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:47:50 -0800
From: Michael Goldhaber <mgoldh@well.com>
Subject: Re: <nettime> Urgent: etoy.org (fwd)


If the etoy.org site is till for salae, why don't a number of us pool 
resources to purchase it. I pledge $100 to get things started.

RTMARK  wrote:

> Dave Lahoti, of EStamp vs. EStamps fame, has purchased etoy.org last week.  
> It is, as far as I know, the last etoy/s domain not owned by eToys.  Dave 
> wanted etoy to have it, but etoy doesn't want it because a. they want to 
> keep etoy.com, after all, and probably would rename the group rather than
> give up a .com domain, and b. they don't have the $1000 that Dave spent on 
> buying the domain, and which he'd like back. zai suggested that someone put 
> up a protest site there; Dave can't do that.
>
> Just now "an anonymous party" has approached Dave and wants to buy etoy.org 
> from him; I think we all have the same suspicion as to that party's identity. > Is RTMark, Thing, Rhizome, or anyone else interested, willing, and able to 
> take etoy.org off Dave's hands?  If so, write to him directly:
> dave@lahoti.com
>
> ---

Best,

Michael H. Goldhaber

mgoldh@well.com


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