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From: "F.Baube(tm)" <>
Subject: Re: <nettime> nettime-l = kosovo-l or serbia-l or nato-l ?
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:09:23 +0300 (EEST)

Surely sendmail reeled when thusly spake felipe rodriquez:
> From: "felipe rodriquez" <>
> Subject: <nettime> nettime-l = kosovo-l or serbia-l or nato-l ?
> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 00:01:52 +0200

> 75% of messages on Nettime these days are about the war in Serbia. I'm
> wondering if that is the purpose of the nettime list, and wondering if the
> nettime list is slowly but surely be converted to the serbian/kosovo war
> information centre.

I wonder too !

But still, I do appreciate the message flow.  Correspondents
(via moderation) are taking advantage of this medium to present 
a broad spectrum of opinion, some presented in rational/logical, 
some more poetic, some "objective", some clearly subjective, but 
this is the only forum where I am seeing such a range of opinion 
and of types of material.  I appreciate it very, very much.

To help out people like yourself, our moderator might add "K:" 
to the subject line of the Kosovo messages ?

Fred Baube

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:08:17 +0200
From: Luther Blissett <>
Subject: Re: <nettime> nettime-l = kosovo-l or serbia-l or nato-l ?

At 00.01 22/04/99 +0200, Felipe Rodriquez wrote:

> I suggest creating a kosovo-l or serbia-l or both and redirect all
> messages about the war in Serbia to such special purpose lists, in 
> order to prevent the nettime list from degenerating into an alternative 
> source of news about the Serbian/Nato war. That is not what Nettime was 
> intended to be, and although I respect and understand that people have 
> a need to distribute their opinion and news about these topics I feel 
> that it is not appropriate to continue doing so on the Nettime mailinglist.

"Me", I think that the nettime-l is the appropriate place for collaborative
texts and/or colliding rants that analyze, deconstruct and possibly explode
propaganda coming from both sides, anything related to infowar and urban
legends about what is going on. Above all, Nettime is the best place to
check out the relationships between this war and the Internet, the way the
former changes attitudes on the latter and the latter affects descriptions
of the former. Yes, a serbia-l could be created, but it'd be a lot easier
to change the focus of the discussion. For example, as soon as a new issue
is thrown in the pond (NATO deserters? Serbian hackers? Bombed refugee
convoys? Mass graves detected by satellites? Serbian spies in NATO ranks?),
people could compare, with scientific rigor, the version available at with the press release at,
Again, the nettime-l is a pretty good place for covering antiwar
activities, especially those that can be described as, you know,
"electronic civil disobedience" (those who don't like this phrase anymore
can choose the trendiest piece of jargon).
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last update: April 1999
the endless self-historification. the baffling creation mythologies. the
amazing media pranks. the incredible amount of press coverage. Dozens of
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adopt the "Luther Blissett" multi-use name for communication guerrilla
actions, hacktivism, civil disobedience (electronic and not) and radical

'Never been to a cinema school, never learnt the cinematographic technique.
It's by chance that I entered this profession. Simply, I had the urge to
create something, either a text, either a film, by any means. I wished my
desires to come true, for example the desire to kill cops. I cannot do this
in real life, of course. But in a film I can exterminate a huge number of
cops all at once. There you are, I started making movies for a very crude
motive.' (Koji Wakamatsu)

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