John Young on Tue, 7 Jul 2020 14:48:55 +0200 (CEST)

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Re: <nettime> Surveillance capitalism gets blue-pilled

29 Dec, 2010 "Internet a very large-scale spying machine" ? info leaking site co-founder

There is no secrecy on the Internet, John Young warned. "In terms of their being able to see everything that we are doing, we know that we cannot keep any secrets about our site and we tell our readers, ?You should not expect us to protect you, because we are being watched and every other site is being watched, just like WikiLeaks is being watched,?? he said. ?There?s no secrecy on the Internet ? that?s the lesson we?ve learned and we are now trying to spread that."

"They [the security services] use our site to see what?s going on and that?s something that we?ve learned about sites like ours. They are left in place in order to watch who comes there and see what kind of information we?ve put up," John Young added.

"The reason we haven?t been shut down is that we are useful to them to see what kind of attention is paid to this material. We think they actually feed us material to put up as they are feeding information to WikiLeaks and many other sites that operate the same way."John Young said.

"Thousands of firms have been drawn into it since 9/11."

Brian Holmes:
At 02:05 AM 7/7/2020, you wrote:
[ It's obvious that third-order cybernetics - or what Erich Horl calls "general ecology" - is coming. It's a new form of the state, but it will spring from the same root as surveillance capitalism. The scientists depicted here are its agents. Planetary conditions call for â??a thermostat, [as] in a cooling or heating system, to guide intermittent activation or relaxation of public health interventions.â?? The ruse of reason lurks in the demand for population-level security. ]

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