Re: <nettime> apropos "relax dear"

[Andreas Broeckmann <ab@mikro.in-berlin.de>]

friends, i'm an active lurker on this list since 1996; my answer to 
angela's question ("What is Nettime's policy on whether or not it should 
give fascists a platform from which to recruit?") would be that 
"nettime" probably doesn't have a "policy" on anything, other than the 
openness to questions; i'm sure there are people here who can put this 
in a more nuanced theoretical language, but i imagine the list and the 
discourse it supports as "in flux" and as something that takes its shape 
through the things that people write, and through the ways in which they 
respond to each other. - in the given case, the point for me would be 
not to ask what some (general) "policy" might be, but to state clearly 
and concretely that i'm against allowing anything that smacks of fascist 
trolling or recruitment. a statement like this constitutes the quality 
of this list which has, as its "policy", only a certain, vague 
collective spirit which requires critical voices like angela's to 
express their opinion. therefore: i support ted's decision to moderate 
some of the contributions since, given 22 years of trust-building, i 
believe he is acting in the spirit of the list and the discourse it 
serves to constitute.
(not sure whether this is an answer to julia's question.)
regards,
-a


Am 05.11.18 um 01:57 schrieb Julia Röder:
> about that
>
>  > dear angela,
>  > relax dear.
>  > it is ok.
>  > noone is recruiting anyone here.
>  > chill.
>  > best,
>  > w
>
> so, is that it? silence about this from the whole list except from angela?
> do you all not say anything because you think this is trolling or this 
> is normal??
>
>
>     Message: 1
>     Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2018 11:12:54 +1100
>     From: Angela Mitropoulos <angela.mitropoulos@gmail.com
>     <mailto:angela.mitropoulos@gmail.com>>
>     To: Nettime <nettime-l@kein.org <mailto:nettime-l@kein.org>>
>     Subject: Re: <nettime> apropos of nothing
>
>     It is a simple and straightforward question that I would like
>     answered. It
>     makes no inferences about whether recruitment is effective, or even
>     deliberate rather than aesthetic. But I'm grateful for the evidence
>     you've
>     furnished, dear, about the way in which women are told to calm down and
>     shut up, no matter the tone they take, so that those who think women and
>     black people are less than human and not entitled to take up space
>     can keep
>     ranting on at length about how everyone other than white guys are
>     less than
>     human. I mean, I'm grateful that you've illustrated the reason why I
>     asked
>     this question in the first place. That said, I have no interest in
>     debating
>     this further.
>
>     I simply repeat my question, and would like it answered. Preferably
>     in the
>     negative. But if in the affirmative, then I would like to suggest that
>     Nettime be shuttered because any benefit it had for creating a
>     better world
>     has long past. The world doesn't need a longform version of Gab, or
>     Gab for
>     that matter.
>
>     Angela
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