Patrice Riemens on Fri, 26 Oct 2018 07:32:49 +0200 (CEST)

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Re: <nettime> Identity and difference

In a French philosophy class 50 yrs ago this thread would have provided a fantastic 'baccalaureat' exam subject, since it encapsulates the no 1 issue of French philosphy, as expressed in the title Vincent Descombes' awesome overview of the same: Le Meme et l'Autre (The One and the Other) being the question whether there is an identity between identity and difference, or a ... difference.

It also epitomize the emptinesss of discussions of identity, this time illustrated by a member of Bilwet's famous, but totally vacuous phrase "rather a complex identity than an identity complex", completely overlooking that the latter is a consequence of the former, not its opposite.

Alterity is just as bad a carrier of progress as identity.

This being said: The Winter Is Coming ...

Cheers all the same, p+2D!

On 2018-10-26 01:36, Johnatan Petterson wrote:
i have seen isabelle stengers in brussels in 1994 who was dissing
"economy" as the "real enemy" of movements
she was connected with.
the leftish dream of labor never became aesthetic or economic, one
does not contradict the other.
on what basis would economy and aesthetic contradict one another?
economy seems in ari's post like metric.
spinoza seemed opposed to metric (measurement) in his quest for
aesthetic freedom.
how would you plug metrics into the aesthetic (creative) understanding

Le ven. 26 oct. 2018 à 01:07, Alice Yang <> a
écrit :

Identity politics _is_ class struggle. The nostalgic leftish dream
of labor became aesthetic because it did not include women and the
racially oppressed.

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 6:47 PM ari <> wrote:

The primacy of identity has transmorphed class struggle into
ressentiment politics. Generation identity is the bastard child
of the
failed alterglobalisation movement. If at a time when poverty is
source of wealth you insist on denying the economy matters, you
inhabit culture, but it's a culture of denial.


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