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   a note on violence (was: Re: <nettime> Islam and Tactical Media on Amsterdam Cab
     "Pieter" <>                                                   

   Re: <nettime> Islam and Tactical Media on Amsterdam Cable                    (Julian Assange)                                                   


Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 03:42:30 +0200
From: "Pieter" <>
Subject: a note on violence (was: Re: <nettime> Islam and Tactical Media on Amsterdam Cable)

a note on violent tactics from yrs truly:

"Suppose there's a war and nobody showed up." -- Well-known 60's saying.

"Suppose there's a riot and everyone showed up." -- Not so well-known
80's graffiti.

Now that I'm at it, let me note that the definition of "violence" is not
necessarily always in the hands of the "perpetrator." Inasmuch as we
have little or no control over our means of production -- or funding,
these days ;) -- we have little control over "paradigms" (ahem) such as
these. And bravo to all those who literally risk their necks by moving
out to the front lines in Palestine/Israel at present (I'm talking about
the international human shield/observer activists, lest there be any



Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:46:45 +1000 (EST)
From: (Julian Assange)
Subject: Re: <nettime> Islam and Tactical Media on Amsterdam Cable

> Nothing is in itself good, nor bad, right or wrong,

Nothing is, in it itself.

The problem with this moral relativism is that morality can then
be defined to fall in-line with whatever purpose you espouse. There
is no logical solution to discovery that morality has no axioms
but simply emerges from the biological and historical inclinations
present in interacting human beings.

- --
 Julian Assange        |If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people
                       |together to collect wood or assign them tasks and          |work, but rather teach them to long for the endless  |immensity of the sea. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery


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