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[Nettime-bold] Minutes from Reclaim your Media Thematic Hub

Minutes from Reclaim your Media Thematic Hub
by blicero  Monday November 11, 2002 at 03:07 PM
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Minutes from Reclaim your Media Thematic Hub

Euraction Hub 7th Nov 2002

Notes: this document composed in haste by multiple notetakers and 
summarised quickly after the meeting in order to facilitate further 
discussion, co-operation etc. The meeting took the form of a series of 
presentations of attendant groups' projects, gradually modified to be 
shorter and more focussed on practice. Discomfort was felt with the 
show-and-tell format, which might be avoided in future Hub workshops. The 
decision was made to split into interest groups (see bottom of this 
document for details) in order to work through the main themes thrown up by 
the session, and to address some not specifically raised here but thought 
to be important by a number of those present (again, see below for details.)

In short, it was emphasised in conclusion that the Hub is not intended to 
be a mini-ESF, a place for small groups to present their work, but one of 
activity and co-operative action. The opinion was raised that groups should 
focus on acting rather than representing themselves; on empowering speech 
rather than speaking for others. (This summary the opinion of the notetaker 
and not necessarily that of the whole group.)

The notes proceed chronologically through the workshop and are disjointed.


our characteristic is trying to have our organization, our
way of organizing the editorial part has to be consistent with the
politics the project tries to support. We divide all the task so that
each person has a mixed list of task that is similar to that of any one
else and everybody feels empowered in doing different task. We think that 
this is a way to break the hierarchy that even in democracy can take place 
in spite of the equal vote and so on. So to us
it was central to break down the division of labour, differently from
other mainstream media. znet is compeltely different. We want to
address femminism and change the structure of the movement from mainstream 
organizations. we have to get rid of racism and hierarchy in the movement. 
zmag, znet is all done in a decentralize non hierarchical way, everybody 
can partecipate on a equal basis.

Question about financing and growth.

A: started with private money they sell their productions now, the only 
exception is the website, people can donate on the web site and this worked 
brilliantly: subscribers get access to a BBS and a special article each 

comunicacio and liberinfo

a news agency that connects media and social movement to connect the alt 
media with the mainstrem. they are born in a political campaign against 
WB.Campaigns where have intervened: Genoa. Squats. Campaign against the 
World Bank in 2001. Jekyl & Hyde role due to the obvious risks involved 
with dealing with the media as anyone involved in such campaigns is

Set up a site http://www.liberinfos.net. Also actions for Media 
Independence day on October 18th as Communic-Accion. Proposal to do two 
things: (a) To speak about the experience of mainstream in context of 
political campaigns, and then to further discuss ' liberifo'.

Descriptions will now be shortened as there is limited time in the session 
and there will be the opportunity to freely liase with one another later on 
the basis of affinity.


AK Kraak, gateway for independent television. Interest is in speaking with 
others from other video projects: how should it be used? Open publishing 
form. Not limited to the political activist sphere but seeking to touch 
other areas as well as such as artists, young film makers.

Gnu Global Vision

Italian project online at http://www.ngivision.org

Goal is to build up community of P2P clients that are connected with a 
network of FTP servers; with this network it is possible to find the 
archive and to download it so that anyone can pick it up from a personal 
computer. It is an archive divided by categories; from the website you can 
see the whole archive or different categories. There are currently 100 
files available; the architecture is composed of FTP servers and P2P 
clients. Currently recommending the usage of DivX4, but
are experimenting with the use of other codecs such as DivX5 (which may be 
too heavy on client PCs.) There are many technical obstacles to overcome 

The project is completely copylefted and are considering moving to an open 
publishing system like SubTV but have not yet achieved it. NGV is 
participating in the Hub TV and everyone is invited to participate ringing 
in materials etc.. The TV station will carry on for the entire
social forum, 24 hours a day, copyleft and totally pirate. Join us.

International Solidarity Movement, Palestine

Trying to help and find the resistance for the Palestinians and to fight 
the occupation through non-violent activities; helping Palestinians to find 
the voice of resistance. How do we deal with the media? Sending reports and 
press releases. There is a media office which receives reports from 
different areas and sends out these bulletins . We also make videos and 
reports of what is happening; we are trying to purpose these documents 
legally and to disseminate them in a way
which informs about what is happening. Everyone is invited to Palestine.

We send reports to the Internet through the mail list that we have, and to 
the press list that we have. Now the press have started to call us. Most of 
the time we also have video material available.

(Note today's meeting on disobedience in global war, in the hub this

Russian Indymedia Collective

Not solely from Russia. Also from Ukraine. The only Indymedia site working 
in Eastern Europe. Not focussed on big events - purposes of the site are to 
deal with the lack of critical media in Russia. To give non Fascist, non 
anti Semitic information. To bring together different activists from 
diverse social movements in Russia, who are not currently working together.

(Addition: most Russian media activism is with paper based publications. 
Not such access to video. But some internet access. Paper versions of 
Indymedia Russia have been made, in order to spread the idea to those 
without access.)


4 times yearly. Environmental and social justice themes for each issue from 
an anti-capitalist perspective. The next issue is on migration, freedom of 
movement and borders. After that, water struggles around the world, pushing 
community struggles in the area of water and trying to promote that style 
of organisation as a new social form.

Future plans for a Spanish language version based in Barcelona. Also 
interested in coordinating a response from the World Summit on the 
Information Soceity.

World Summit on the Information Society

Nothing to do with alternative media projects. Could be a good place to 
campaign on media issues. Takes place Dec 2003 Geneva, then Dec 2005 in 
Tunisia. A summit in two halves equivalent to Rio, etc.

First half of the summit will take placce in a year's time but the most 
important debates have already started. There are regional meetings taking 
place right now, including a conf. in Bucharest this weekend. In Feb a 
meeting in Geneva which will be very important.

Involves state governments, northern and western governments, business 
sector, and 'civil society' - NGOS etc. and even some community radio 
interests. All these groups have different objectives and aims which define 
how they see the information society. Governments tend to focus on 
technology and access, its use for employment etc.; the business sector 
have similar interests - the spread of technology and access to it. 
Interests in creating a market economy and sustaining this. The problem is 
that the summit is organised by the ITU which is focussed on
technological infastructure and has links with the business communities 
associated with the ITU. Unesco, more political and critical, would have 
been preferable.

Some aspects of early preparation are important. There is some kind of 
struggle going on and a desire to push community interests. This is coming 
from the civil society, NGOs.

What do we do about this? What could we work for in terms of this summit? 
Is there a campaign that we could start which would support civil society 
people within the conference so that more positive points are put on the 

(Additional comment from worker previously inside the secretariat of the 
Summit who has left for 'ethica reasons'. Notes internal problems. That 
Southern countries are pushing for technology investment and ignoring free 
speech issues, etc. Also that the deadline for propsals is not yet
closed. All propsals will be presented in PrepCon2 in Geneva in December. 
Interested parties should submit proposals before then in order to be 
represented at the WSIS.)

Wrapping up Comments

One topic not discussed: infrastructure and grassroots communications. E.g. 
Hub TV. Projects that try to think of ways of building infrastructures from 
the ground up. Experiments with detourning existing infrastructures and 
creating new ones.

This covers many issues - wireless to web radio, which tries to empower end 
DSL users to set up servers allowing them to share materials with others 
over the Net; to the building of a 'media jacket' allowing activists to 
have a tool which does everything they need.

The tendency to go into frontal presentations is egregious. Let us find a 
moment to facilitate a discussion about independent media infastructure. 
These thematic hubs are not about being a small version of the ESF. This is 
about finding a creative way of deploying your projects within the Hub 
space. The idea of this thematic session was to give quick presentations so 
that people could work out the affinities and produce activities together.

Lines are proposed on:

video, archiving, sharing;

WSIS campaign and all that goes around it- a network of alternative media 
that can help cover the event, etc.;

the creative use of community media infrastructures as an alternative to 
hierarchical representation.

Any other lines can be proposed and then worked upon. Coordinators should 
produce affinity groups and then post them up on the calendar.

These lines are broadly accepted by those present at the meeting.

Suggestion to meet later within different affinity groups. Notes that many 
interested parties are at the ESF and not at the Hub. By this afternoon 
they may have returned.

Proposal to talk about strategy in political communications and media
campaigns... why we communicate, how we do it, and with and to whom. But is 
this questioning of communications practice something that should be 
carried across all of the strands? Should we speaking ourselves (from what 
position do we speak?) or empowering others to speak for themselves through 
development of media architectures?

The decision is made to split into groups. Are meeting tonight to ratify 
areas for discussion and find times to do a specific workshop. Can they be 
at separate times so that interested parties can be involved in each?

Once times are decided, workshops should be put on up on the calendar in 
the Hub space.
Also send it out over the Hub mailing list. Please self-organise.


The idea is to build a p2p fileshare commnuity around tstorage and
distribution of independent materials. Have been considering available
mechanisms for distribution (exisiting fileshare systems). Idea is to
deliver films in different mediums (CD etc.) distributed broadly using
magazines, infopoints etc. Would work with a portal which would
guarantee quality and integrity of the file being downloaded.

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