Lachlan Brown on Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:38:01 +0200 (CEST)

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[Nettime-bold] Re: <nettime> The Economist: The Penny Drops?


   Thanks for this article. 

   The problem is that Internet had no soul
to sell. Users of Internet certainly did.
They sold their soul's very, very cheaply.
This is why I am angry at people like my
very sincere friend Sean Cubitt, bless his little cotton socks. He sold his
soul on November 25th 1996 when he made a career calculation over consideration of
MY (and his) students third year degrees
during the implementation of the Digital Cultures course at Liverpool John Moores University that I suggested in September 
1994 that Sean set up.

I can bear a grudge for my students better
than I can personally bear a grudge.

   Yahoo belongs to a business culture. In 
business culture the important thing is to
increase assets, reduce costs, balance the books and end up with a profit. Capitalism.
Simple really. Its not a complicated thing 
at all. A number of social and cultural implications are derived from this impulse
toward accumulating capital, though of 
course the range of beliefs, ideas, 
policies, politics, regulation and the 
law influence this basic economic 
 These cultural and social factors have not been studied adequately. Where they have 
been studied, we find the people studying under considerable duress.

   Yahoo's asset is its usership. It sells
usership to advertisers for revenue, and it
has accumulated information from use in a 
variety of forms. Its a basic of computing, 
its one of the things computing was 
invented to do.

   There are a number of regulations and l
aws governing what Yahoo can and cannot do with this information, there are a number 
of analytical problems involved in making t
his information meaningful, turning it into 
marketable knowledge.

   The regulatory framework may change. 
Yahoo and industry in general may have the power to lobby our respective governments 
to relax data protection laws to help 
increase competitiveness through use of 
this information to enhance innovation in business. Government may change. 
There may be emergency legislation imposed 
in the interests of public safety that 
makes Yahoos properties, your patterns of use in yahoo its groups and in the companies it has acquired, including e-groups, available
t the state. A number of scenarios can 
be readily imagined.

   What I don't understand is why important 
work in this field was not done, why in associations like The (American) Association of Internet Researchers why people
doing important work in this field have
been excluded, and why the naivety of 
Internet use has led you all into a situation 
in which like a client of an e-group during 
the Yahoo acquisition of e-groups 15 months
 ago said, 'what's Yahoo doing in e-groups'.
Nettimers seem to be saying en mass these
days: what's commerce doing in 'cyberspace'?

   I mean, its taking a very long time for 
the penny to drop but I think I hear quite 
a few of them dropping these days. Your 
unlicensed aliased meanderings through 'cyberspace' form important assets 
for companies like Yahoo.

   On the plus side, you can be fairly sure
that few of the Internet companies, the ISPs,
AltaVistas, Yahoos have the faintest idea 
what to do with this info.

They need guidance and advice over this.
I mean, even market fascists are people too,
cynical people, driven by dark desires of domination and mastery, but people nontheless, 
and like the rest of the internet world
they too are looking into the abyss of 
perverted information science, and finding
in the structuralist Marxism of Louis 
Althusser combined with the work of Huxley 
and Orwell a rather dim prospect for the 

   Let's all try a little post-structuralism
and material cultural anaysis of the field.

  Lets scrap the idea of 'cyberspace' excpet as an excellent metaphor in fiction, concentrate on the popular meanings of 'cyber'
and locate the 'consensual hallucination' 
where it really belongs: in the belief that 
what you have all been doing online all of 
these years has no impact on the real world.

Sound like a plan? It may just save your

   Lachlan Brown


----- Original Message -----
From: "geert" <>
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:06:49 +1000
To: "nettime-l" <>
Subject: <nettime> The Economist: The Internet sells its soul

(Is the commercial doom right? Perhaps not. The tendency described in the
article below has always existed and could even be traced back to 1993.
Still, there are concrete measures of certain firms taken, such as Yahoo!,
which now seriously start to piss off users. I would like to call on
everyone here to start to withdraw from Yahoo!, especially those who have
lists running there. The adds underneath the each posting are becoming
really huge, much bigger then most of the postings. A few lists that I
know have recently take the courageous step to move their database to
indepedendent servers. That's great. The issue often is that list owners
often do not know reliable servers they can trust which could host their
list. But the point is: there are so many! Maybe we post a list of
servers, ready to receive former Yahoo! groups and make a wider public
announcement, showing that there are viable alternatives to Yahoo! All the
best, Geert)


The Internet sells its soul
Apr 16th 2002

>From The Economist Global Agenda

A new hard-nosed commercialism is spreading over the Internet. Users are
increasingly being asked to pay for information and services, while
advertising is becoming more intrusive. The backlash has already begun

WHEN times are tough, commercial realities bite hard. Internet users are
increasingly being asked to pay for information, music and other services.
Advertisers, too, have grown more demanding. As a result, the Internet is
being transformed from a vast repository of mostly free content into a
commercial cauldron where almost everything is for sale. Gone are the days
of static banner ads tucked quietly away in the corner of a website. Now
ads leap out from all over the place, obliterating the web page or lurking
below a browser window ready to pounce when it is closed. Even Internet
search terms are up for sale as advertisers bid to have their sites appear
at the top of search-engine listings. As if to confirm the trend, Yahoo!
has just told its millions of users that its revised privacy rules will
now allow it to exploit users' personal information to market its own and
business partners' products and services unless users take the trouble to
opt out by ticking a long list of "preferences".

In retrospect, more aggressive commercialisation of the Internet seemed
bound to happen. As the thousands of dotcoms that have already gone to the
wall discovered, making money on the Internet is not easy-especially from
advertising. Yahoo! might be one of the biggest Internet portals with more
than 230m users, but it is now desperately trying to reduce its reliance
on ad revenues by providing new paid-for services and content. Last week,
the firm posted its fifth consecutive quarterly loss. If users do not go
to a special site in the next 60 days to change their "preferences", they
are likely to be barraged by e-mails, telephone calls and other
direct-marketing material.

Yahoo! says that its sales pitches will be restrained: it plans to send
e-mails and make calls on target groups of users on behalf of advertisers.
But other portals have already gone further and are renting out their
customer lists directly to advertisers. As Internet companies try to wring
more revenue out of their operations, such business strategies are
becoming more attractive. This has handed advertisers a bigger bargaining
chip, which has resulted in ads becoming more intrusive. One of the most
popular new forms of Internet advertising are "pop-up" ads which appear on
the front of a web page whenever it is opened. To close them, users have
to click in the correct place. But that can be hard-the pop-up ad for one
major car producer dashes off across the screen as soon as a mouse-pointer
comes near it.

A more subtle version is "pop-under" advertising. Here the ads appear
behind the browser, waiting for the user to close their browser before
bursting forth. There are also many variations, such as "pop-over" ads
which can cover the entire screen; pop-ups which delay their appearance
until the user has spent a certain period of time looking at the site, and
all sorts of animated ads, some with audio and video files which play
without request. A more menacing variety are ads which attempt to "hijack"
a browser and repeatedly direct it to a specific site, or automatically
try to download a promotional file. Some of these techniques were
pioneered by pornographic sites. Now they are becoming mainstream.

This new flood of advertising is beginning to irritate many users. But the
managers of websites argue that, with advertising revenue so hard to come
by, they have little choice. And yet, enraged customers are not in
anyone's interest. So some companies are trying to strike a balance
between grabbing the attention of users, and infuriating them. For
instance, Orbitz, a Chicago-based travel site, tries to set a limit on its
pop-under ads so that users only see them once a day on the sites where
they appear.

A new business is also growing up to provide software that blocks Internet
ads. A program called "Smasher", for instance, claims to stop pop-up ads
and remove from PCs the "cookies" which advertisers and websites plant on
to a user's machine in order to monitor the use of their ads. The cookie
works like a small electronic name-tag. Each time a surfer visits a site
or clicks on an ad, the cookie identifies that person as having visited
the site before or as a newcomer. They can also be used to track what
pages a user visits and any data entered. Such information can be
aggregated into huge direct-marketing databases, creating a composite
profile of an individual web-surfer's habits, often without their

If the Internet has a soul, it is the vast pool of information which
people can explore, usually using one of the web's many free search
engines. Now even search engines have become vehicles for marketing
products and gathering information on individual surfers. Someone using
the search term "digital cameras" to search the Internet, for instance, is
probably interested in photography and may be on a shopping expedition.
Many search-engine sites are now auctioning such search terms. The more
money companies are prepared to pay, the higher their websites will appear
in the results.

The pioneer of paid listings is Overture, a Californian firm which has
built a profitable business from a string of partnerships in which its
search results appear on sites such as AltaVista, America Online and
Yahoo!. These paid-for results are sometimes identified as "sponsored
sites" or "featured sites". An advertiser bids an amount which they are
prepared to pay each time a customer clicks on their listing. Those that
bid the most appear closest to the top. Advertisers are presently paying
around 60 cents to get towards the top of the listing for "digital

The idea behind paid listings is rapidly spreading. Overture, however, is
now suing Google, one of the Internet's most popular search engines,
alleging that Google's own recently-launched system for auctioning
keywords infringes an Overture patent. Google denies this.

While the Internet's growing commercialisation is unlikely to slow down
any time soon, the most effective strategies and business models are still
far from clear. Aggressive, in-your-face advertising seems to be working,
at least according to many advertisers. They say that their "click-through
rates"-the percentage of visitors to a website who click on an ad-is
greatly increased by the use of pop-ups. One music site claims 15% of
visitors click on its pop-up ads, compared with just 0.3% who click on
stationary banner ads. Other sites claim big increases too. And yet many
people may be clicking on these ads accidentally as they desperately try
to get rid of them. And some sites have become virtually unviewable
because of the barrage of advertising directed at anyone who visits. A
user backlash seems inevitable. But if users do not want to be hounded and
harrassed by advertising, they may have to consider something which most
have been loth to do-paying subscriptions for their favourite sites, just
as they do for newspapers, magazines or cable-TV stations. The Internet
may be a mould-breaking new medium but, like all the media that came
before it, someone has to pay for it, and that usually means, one way or
another, users.

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