[Nettime-bold] Re: <nettime> Names, projects and background [4x]

[mateja <jernej.kozar@guest.arnes.si>]

nettime's_compiler wrote:

> Table of Contents:
>
>    Re: <nettime> what's in a mission?
>      <ana.viseu@utoronto.ca>
>
>    Background on Afghanistan
>      cisler <cisler@pobox.com>
>
>    Clay Shirkey on a Manhattan "Peace Park"...
>      "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com>
>
>    Re: <nettime> "Violence, old and new"
>      Michael Century <mcentury@music.mcgill.ca>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:18:21 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
> From: <ana.viseu@utoronto.ca>
> Subject: Re: <nettime> what's in a mission?
>
> Hi,
>
> i read today in the paper that the U.S. gov is actually going to change
> the name of the (in)famous 'operation infinite justice' because its arab
> and muslim 'allies' complained that 'justice' is something that only Allah
> delivers.
>
> Now we only have to hope that the same happens to the entire operation.
>
> best. ana viseu
>
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, Pit Schultz wrote:
>
> > operation infinite justice
> >
> > somebody over here said immediatly: "bad ad agency..". *operation desert storm*
> > had some kind of glory, a territorial reference and an intense temporality.
> > today's mission title carries a new quality, one which is "beyond the art of
> > war" and "beyond imagination" carrying a strange mix of biblical revenge and
> > flashy totality.
>
> <....>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:39:47 -0700
> From: cisler <cisler@pobox.com>
> Subject: Background on Afghanistan
>
> Most of us on nettime are not familiar with Afghanistan and surrounding
> countries.  It is hard to think of a place that has received less recent
> attention (up to now) than Afghanistan.  I have been looking at in depth
> articles and essays from a variety of sources.
>
> These are two I would recommend.
>
> Limbs of no body: World's indifference to the Afghan tragedy by Mohsen
> Makhmalbaf June 20, 2001
>
> http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2001/June/Afghan/index.html
>
> Makhmalbaf is an Iranian film maker who made two films in Afghanistan.
> This very long (148 Kb) and rambling essay is more about the country and
> its people, but it does include some of his experiences during the
> filming.
>
> Pakistan's Jihad Culture, by Jessica Stern (Nov/Dec 2000)
> www.foreignaffairs.org/home/terrorism.asp
>
> This is about the madrassahs or Islamic schools that proliferate in
> Pakistan and Afghanistan.  It helped me understand the appeal they have
> and the services they render to many very poor (and now starving)
> villagers on both sides of the border.  It also discusses their role in
> the fighting in Kashmir and with the Taliban and how the Pakistanis have
> manipulated them (up to now!)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:39:59 -0400
> From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com>
> Subject: Clay Shirkey on a Manhattan "Peace Park"...
>
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> Status:  U
> Delivered-To: fork@xent.com
> From: Clay Shirky <clay@shirky.com>
> Subject: Re: Unconscionably Callous? New building proposal for WTC sight.
> To: savamutt@hotmail.com (Tom Sweetnam)
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 10:21:43 -0400 (EDT)
> Cc: fork@xent.com, savamutt@hotmail.com
> Sender: fork-admin@xent.com
> List-Id: Friends of Rohit Khare <fork.xent.com>
>
> > Larry Silverstein, the man who owns the leasehold on the former World Trade
> > Center complex, has apparently been very busy with his architects in the 10
> > days since the worst act of terror in America history.
>
> Go Larry!
>
> Every major city in the world has a big, invisible motto hanging
> overhead -- "Dream Factory", "You'll Leave a Winner!", "Laissez le bon
> temps roulez", "We're still pissed about Elian."
>
> Over New York City hangs the motto 'Business is business.'
>
> It may be hard to understand if you don't live here, but after 10 days
> where we've been out of our minds with grief and shock and disorientation,
> living in a world where there are military checkpoints at Canal and
> Broadway and phone booths turn into xeroxed shrines, the news that some
> asshole developer isn't gonna let a little terrorism get in the way of his
> trying to grab a few extra simoleons just means that we're back in
> business.
>
> The sound of breathtaking unsentimentality is the sound of NYC.
>
> > The New York City Port Authority was quick to respond that it is "far too
> > early" to consider any future plans for the sight, perhaps entertaining the
> > radical notion that an international peace park and memorial...
>
> Peace Park? *Peace Park*! Are you out of your mind? Do you have any idea
> what real estate in Lower Manhattan is worth? You wanna build a park, go
> to Nebraska -- I hear land is cheap there. Out here, we prefer to use our
> land for the living.
>
> > So if Mr.  Silverstein gets his way, has he proved the terrorists
> > correct?
>
> The terrorists *are* correct -- never forget that.
>
> We are not being unfairly targetted here, as if this was all some sort of
> misunderstanding. We are being targetted because we do exactly what they
> say we do.
>
> We are freedom loving, secular, democratic creators of a world where
> people are allowed to do as they like to an extent unheard of in the
> history of the world. That is so completely corrosive of any attempt to
> corral a populace into a single way of living that we are hated by
> everyone for whom cultural stasis is more important than freedom.
>
> > I had to wonder on hearing Mr. Silverstein's pronouncement, if there
> > might be some mystical plateau [...] before no consideration of
> > profit would ever again be factored into considerations of what to
> > do with the former World Trade Center site.
>
> God forbid. Not in my town.
>
> If you want to let al-Quida freeze you into some sort of contemplative
> aspic, go ahead, but my homeboys ain't going out like that -- we got shit
> to do.
>
> - -clay
>
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> experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:59:40 -0400
> From: Michael Century <mcentury@music.mcgill.ca>
> Subject: Re: <nettime> "Violence, old and new"
>
> Bauman's text already may be an anachronism, if unregulated free flows of
> capital start to be regulated anew as part of the overall counterterrorist
> campaign.  For a quite different assessment of the underlying economic
> factors, see the following.
>
> The Free Market Tide Has Turned: This crisis is fuelling economic
> activism and a Keynesian revival
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,554867,00.html
> (posted by Phil Agre  in his compendium of post-attack coverage)
>
> At 12:15 PM +0100 9/21/01, John Armitage wrote:
> >[Hi all, I came across the text below by Zygmunt Bauman, written in 2000.
> >It may be useful for some in thinking about war, technology and where it
> >looks like we are currently headed. Full reference below. John.]
> >====================================================================
> >[Extract from Zygmunt Bauman, "Violence, old and new"]
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