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[Nettime-bold] RE: <nettime> Palestinians ARE a dangerous Reality or [A snake by any other name] !


      There has never, I repeat NEVER, been a civilization or a nation
referred to as "Palestine" and the very notion of a "Palestinian" Arab
NATION having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time
immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes perpetrated upon the world!

   Two thousand-five hundred years ago [586 B.C.], the first ancient Jews
were overrun and the First Jewish Temple was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar,
king of ancient Babylon. Most of the Jews were killed or expelled. However
some did remain and, along with others who would resettle over the next 500
years, rebuilt the  Nation of Israel.

   Then again in 70 A.D. (nearly 2000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire's
turn to march through ancient Israel and destroy the SECOND Jewish Temple,
once again slaughtering or driving out its Jewish population. No nation
after that, other than the reborn 3rd Nation of Israel in 1948, has ever
ruled as a sovereign national entity on this land.

   The name "Palestine" came from the Greek "Palaistina."  It was merely the
name that the conquering Roman Empire gave the ancient Land of Israel in an
attempt to once again obliterate the "Judean" presence in the Holy Land. The
Roman Procurator in charge of the Israel territories, was so angry at the
Jews for revolting, that he called for his historians and asked who were the
worst enemies of the Jews in their past history. The scribes said, 'the
Philistines."  So, the Procurator declared that Israel would from now on be
called Philistia to dishonor the Jews. That is where we get the name
Palestine today. This name has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Jews, Chinese,
Cambodians and certainly NOT the Arabs!  It was merely a term used by the
Roman Empire to depict an AREA of LAND ... NOT A PEOPLE!  In fact, even when
the Ottoman Empire had its turn to conquer the area in the 16th century, the
term "Palestine" was still maintained to describe one of its districts.
Palestine was a place within its empire, never an empire of its own. Indeed
Syria did not exist, nor did Jordan or Lebanon. It was all a vast tract of
the Turkish Empire loosely called Palestine.

   The Land of Israel was virtually uninhabitable when the Jews once again
began their God-given right AND duty to return to the land of their
forefathers (the Zionist Movement) in the late 1880s. Mark Twain, who
visited the area in 1867, had this account in his book, "The Innocents
Abroad"...  A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over
wholly to weeds -- a silent mournful expanse.... A desolation.... We never
saw a human being on the whole route.... hardly a tree or shrub anywhere.
Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had
almost deserted the country.

   The vast MAJORITY of Arabs came to Israel AFTER these Zionists pioneers
began to rebuild the land thereby creating the economic opportunities and
medical availabilities which ATTRACTED Arabs from both surrounding
territories and far-away Arab lands! Yet while the returning Jews were
highly motivated to restore the land, the Arabs seethed with envy and hatred
perhaps because they lacked both the leadership to likewise inspire them or
the motivation for they in fact were historical strangers there! Unlike the
Jews, these Arabs who immigrated had no ancient heartstrings attached to
THIS homeland ... this ancient Land of the Jews!

    Archeological sites to this very day continue to yield artifacts with
Hebrew writing, not some fictitious "Palestinian" or Arabic text!  The
so-called "Palestinian" Arabs were simply then, as they are still now,
Arabs no different culturally, historically or ethnically than other Arabs
living in any other of the 24 Arab countries [or 42 Islamic nations!] in
which they now pollute the face of the earth! Had they not continued to
brainwash generation upon generation into believing historical hogwash about
some ancient Arab Palestinian ties to the Holy Land, most could have gotten
themselves a REAL life by now with much less bloodshed and suffering for
everyone concerned!

     The Arabs of today occupy 24 nations... 991/2% of the ENTIRE  Middle
East land mass while Israel has only a 1/2 of 1% speck on the map. But
that's still too much land for the Arabs to spare. They want it all. And
that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride.
Envy. Covetousness.  No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make,
it will never be enough!

--------P.S. One more thing about Jerusalem in general and the Temple Mount
in particular. Islam's "holy???" Koran mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It
mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem and with good
reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Mohammad ever visited

Palestinian Refugees

The conflict between Israel and the Arab world is not about the borders of
the Jewish State. Simply put, the core of the conflict is about Israel's
existence itself! If you look throughout the Middle East, Israel is the ONLY
non-Moslem nation. Sure, Lebanon functioned somewhat as a bi-national
Christian/Moslem nation until Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian thugs of his
Palestine Liberation Organization [PLO] went there. Soon after their
arrival, they instigated a 15 year civil war (1970-85) which was soon
encouraged and abetted by their Syrian backers.  As a direct result of this
rape of the once beautiful "Land of the Cedars," Lebanon has essentially
become just another Moslem nation... in fact, a terrorist Moslem nation.  If
THIS is what happens when Christians try to share power with Moslems, one
can only imagine Jews trying the same! And having Arafat and his Palestinian
State alongside Israel's belly is also not such a pleasant thought! So much
for the "poor suffering Palestinians!"

   Throughout most of the Arab Moslem world, hatred toward the Jews is
preached in mosques where the "Zionist entity" is portrayed as a diabolical
threat. This characterization of the Jews is taught in refugee camps where
Israelis are known as the "usurpers and barbarians" who have expelled the
"poor Palestinian Arabs" from their homes. It is taught in all Arab schools,
spoken over the television and radio waves and written in books and
newspaper editorials. The latest "fashionable" spread of Arab propaganda and
lies is via the Internet. Even a whole new non-Moslem audience is now being
brainwashed with patently untrue tales of Arab suffering at the hands of the

   It is important to note that the world has seen hundreds of millions of
refugees. It's a natural and expected end result of wars. All have
resettled, begun new lives and made the best of their situation. Tens of
millions of refugees were created in the aftermath of both World Wars.
During the 1948-49 Arab-Israeli War, 860,000 Jews living in Arab countries
were thrown out on their ears! We don't hear about them anymore because they
were absorbed by their fellow Jews within Israel. So while the Arabs
throughout the Middle East cry crocodile tears for their poor suffering
Palestinian brothers and sisters, none of these countries has opened their
arms to them. The ones that WERE allowed in were placed into refugee camps
for the world to see.  Ironically, the Arabs who remained in Israel and
became citizens have fared far better than those in Arab countries!

   What makes the Palestinian Arabs stand out among the world's refugees is
that they created their own pathetic situation or were misled by their
leaders.  In 1923, the Arab Palestinians were given 75% of Palestine in
which to form THEIR Arab Palestinian state of Jordan. The Jewish
Palestinians were supposed to be given the remainder. However, the Arabs
wanted ALL.  So 24 years later [1947] this remaining 25% was to be
re-divided again into equal portions... the Arab Palestinians would be given
their SECOND nation while the Jewish Palestinians would be given their one
and only state.  But still as before and as ALWAYS the Arabs wanted it all
... "every last inch" as they said then and as they say now!  They and their
fellow Arabs in neighboring state launched an all-out war on the
newly-created Jewish nation [Israel] and lost.


The desert warrior is considered shrewd to invite his enemies as honored
guests for dinner
only to jump across the table with scythes at the ready to slice up his
guests beguiled by his charm.

   Mohammed, the 7th century founder of Islam, once signed a 10-year peace
treaty with the enemy Arabian tribe of Koreish. However, after only two
years into the treaty, Mohammed's military position improved whereupon he
tore up this "Hudibiyya (also spelled Khudaibiya)  Agreement" and
slaughtered the Koreishites.

   If a PA (Palestinian Authority) cabinet minister were to compare the Oslo
Peace Accords between Israel and the Palestinian people to the Hudibiyya
Agreement, he would be suggesting that the treaty were only a temporary
truce.   Not only have cabinet ministers done just that... so has the leader
of the Palestinian people!  Speaking to a rally of his Fatah movement in
Ramallah just last November 16, 1998, Yasser Arafat said, "When we chose the
peace of the brave [the Oslo and Wye Accords], we chose it with trust in the
Prophet who agreed to the Treaty of Hudibiyya..."  On numerous previous
occasions (and certainly to be continued in the future), both Arafat and
other senior PA officials have assured Arab audiences that their treaties
with Israel are only "temporary truces" rather than genuine, permanent peace

   This "strategy of phases" was first adopted by the PLO's National Council
(Cairo, Egypt) in 1974 when it became obvious that an outright military
defeat of Israel was unlikely.  A policy of destruction of Israel in phases
was approved by first establishing a small PLO state and then later
completing the total destruction of Israel. This goal may be soon realized
as Israel prepares to withdraw from portions of its ancient homeland in the
name of "peace.

 Israel is one of the tiniest nations on the face of the earth... only
12,500 sq. miles.  It is only 260 miles at its longest; 60 miles at its
widest and,  just SIX miles at its narrowest!  A very high-powered rifle
could launch a projectile right across the country! This is particularly
frightening when one considers that 65% of Israel's population is within a 9
mile wide section (Tel Aviv area).  Yet Arab propagandists call Israel
"expansionist" and the "aggressor" against all Arab peoples.  For those
unfamiliar with the Arab interpretation of "aggressor" it means either one
who starts trouble or one who dares fight back.  So even though Israel may
have fought only defensive wars, the mere fact that she had the nerve to
"fight back" at all is viewed as an "act of aggression." That's a case of
wacky logic but, unfortunately, Israel doesn't have the luxury of picking
her neighbors!

Terence G.
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Subject: Re: <nettime> Palestinians as Myth

What is this, some attempt at balance?, I think Nettime can do better.
"Farah's" article would be pretty hilarious if people didn't take it

>It's apparently by an Arab-American journalist/commentator, Joseph Farah
Race is no excuse and it is no label of authenticity or claim of

>tell you that these are just phony excuses for the rioting, trouble-making
>and land-grabbing.
Yes, we all love to get hit with exploding bullets, 'rubber' bullets,
tortured and burned to death. And the complete destruction of over 400
Palestinian villages by pre-Israeli Zionist militias and the Israeli Army
should just be forgotten, not to mention the explusion and ethnic cleansing
of over 750,000 Palestinians from their in land in 1948, yes it was their
land no matter what name you want to call it.

>Isn't it interesting that prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, there was
>no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland?
This is so stupid. There was countless Palestinian uprisings and
protestations and a much larger one in 1936 when the immigration policies of
the British mandate was becoming evident and in the '50's the fight
along with the Pan-Arab struggle against Israel and the colonial powers.

>There is no distinct
>Palestinian culture.
And the desert wasn't blooming before the zionists came, what dreck.

>Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from
>Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.
Huh? These is even more ridiculous to anyone who knows these countries and
the people there. And what is your point, they are not black enough or green
enough or different enough to stay on their land?

>The latest round of violence in Israel erupted when Likud Party leader
>Ariel Sharon tried to visit the Temple Mount, the foundation of the Temple
>built by Solomon.
No, he in fact brought his entourage and hundreds of Israeli police and
supporters onto the grounds of the Al-Aksa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock
indimidate all the Palestinians he could come across. "What Americans are
generally not told, but what Palestinians cannot forget, is that Ariel
was held responsible, even by the Israeli Knesset, for the massacre of close
to 2,000 unarmed Palestinian  men, women and children in the Palestinian
refugee camps of Sabra and  Chatila in Lebanon. During the Israeli invasion
of Lebanon, which General Ariel Sharon directed, Israeli troops surrounded
the two refugee camps and allowed in Lebanese Phalangists who then spent two
days raping, brutalizing and hacking to death hundreds of unarmed
civilians while the Israeli Army stood guard. Not only did American news
media fail to include this critically important information, but many
actually gave Sharon, who went to the site to demonstrate Israeli
sovereignty, the opportunity to explain thathe went
there "with a message of Peace."  (Eduardo Cohen quote)


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